Thursday 15 October 2015

Modernist Tactics and the "Pastoral" lie to changing practice

Here's just a quick exchange I had on Facebook with regards to modernism, doctrine and practice.

Comment:

"Unhelpful for LifesiteNews to quote from a particular comment at the Synod. Archbishop Peta would better serve the church by allowing discussion, listening without judgement to other Synod fathers, rather than releasing for public consumption his particular input. It stifles debate, restricts freedom of discussion, sows fear and shows lack of trust and ultimately undermines his brother bishops. If all Synod fathers released there own personal views for the conservative or liberal media, it would destroy any possibility of unity in the Synod deliberations. Where is your faith? DO NOT BE AFRAID."

My response:

 The problem Michael is that the modernists want us to believe that certain issues are not closed and are still open for discussion and haven't been declared upon by the Church. I'm all for debate but issues such as Communion for adulterers, homosexual relations, artificial birth control etc. are already settled issues.

The very idea of debating these issues [that are already settled] is part of this "infernal smoke" that the Archbishop is speaking about.


His reply:

These issues need to be debated, not to alter doctrine but to find an appropriate pastoral approach to bring people to Christ. Remember Jesus ate and mixed with adulterers, thieves prostitutes, enemy collaborators and often found greater faith among these "sinners". No doubt he would eat and drink (and even allow himself be photographed) with those we dislike today. What's wonderful is that Jesus even loves those of us who consider ourselves "worthy" to receive communion (as if we ever could be), and we are the most difficult of all to be converted to the gospel and love of enemies!

My response:


You are right Michael, Jesus did eat with sinners and we should welcome all! But Jesus doesn't just go to people and try to understand them in their situation. He also tried to bring them out of that situation! John 8 is a perfect example. The last line is, "go and sin no more." and in fact this call to leave sin behind is part of loving someone.

The issue of Communion for adulterers is already decided and there isn't a debate to be had. None of us are worthy to receive Communion and we all sin! But there is a difference between people trying to live a life in accordance with the Gospel and falling from weakness and those who live a life in rebellion to God's plan and do so willingly. The Church, as a mother, is very merciful towards her children and for those who cannot separate because of children or other circumstances are not condemned but told to live as brother and sister. I haven't heard anyone explain to me what's wrong with the Church's rules as they stand currently. They are in line with doctrine and truth, and also merciful and understanding.

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